Its happeneing again!!!!! [Archive]

MR. SLiK

09-19-2002, 11:19 PM

Argh my computer AGAIN is freezing and crashing a lot. I turned it off for like 20 min and rebooted and it seems fine right now. I think Slice is right. I think its my power supply since it keeps crashing. Its so frustrating!!!!!!

OUTLAWS The Machine

09-19-2002, 11:25 PM

Can you llok in your Bios to see what your cpu temp and mobo temp is right after you reboot after a freeze? What video drivers are you using? What are you doing when it freezes?

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 12:02 AM

My temp rises a little bit after a crash I noticed. It shrotly crashed again after I made that post. Im using the 30.82 video card drivers and I tried the 40.41 but it still crashed. I also tried using my old GF2 but it also kept crashing with that also. I tried to play UT2k3 and it gives an error now, saying Bad Export. I used to be able to play it now I cant. If I go into it, it gives me an error, and then a few secs later my comp freezes. I think it maybe my power supply or maybe my motherboard?

Slice

09-20-2002, 01:25 AM

Dude your power supply is bad! Or something isn't getting the power it needs. I knew that it wasn't XP when I asked you last night. I had a feeling that it was going to happen with 98 too. :(

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 01:35 AM

Maybe Slice. I took off the case of my computer to check the Code it would give after the comp would freeze. To my surprise, the computer is working much better, I got into UT2k3, but when I ran Quake3 it froze immediately. Its working right now which is nice, but I still dont know whats wrong. I installed the via drivers off the cd right now and am going to reboot soon.

Btw the code I cotinuely get (hopefully Nob reads this) is FF or Boot Attempt. After it starts loading Win98 it stays at FF even when it freezes. FF was the code I was getting when the processor wasnt seated properly and the comp wouldnt boot.

OUTLAWS Spike

09-20-2002, 01:37 AM

SLik send him a PM. I'm sure he will be on later.

OUTLAWS Spike

09-20-2002, 01:40 AM

I'm not a puter guru but did you check you processor to see if something might have changed. I dunno just guessing.

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 01:44 AM

I dont think anything on my processor changed because then I wouldnt be able to boot like the first time I setup the computer.

OUTLAWS Spike

09-20-2002, 01:50 AM

sorry dude I don't know sh1t...lol

Gun Element

09-20-2002, 02:05 AM

I have no idea whats goin on. all I can say is.... Good luck.

Dangerous Dan

09-20-2002, 02:06 AM

wait it out, then get a new computer... like i am with this junk pile, lol

Nobody

09-20-2002, 02:25 AM

You can ignore the codes on the board after the computer boots. This is from the Epox site :

Why does the POST LED not stay at FF after booting?
The Power On Self Test (POST) LED is a troubleshooting tool used during the boot up to diagnose problems. However, after the system completes the POST procedure and control is passed over to your operating system the information displayed is of no value. At this point any information displayed on the LED can be ignored. The POST LED feature obtains its information from address port 80h. But after boot the operating system and/or software may write to port 80h causing the display to change - there is no reason for concern.

What are your temps reported by the bios ?

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 02:54 AM

When I booted it up this time (after letting it sit off for a while after it crashed) it was at 89F. But usually when it crashes it goes up to 109/111 F. I think I may have a bad power supply like Slice said.

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:04 AM

Dude wish i could see it i would be able to hlep you alot more hopefully its your power supply get that changed try it but if that the case hope it hasnt done more damage to other parts of you computer

Slice

09-20-2002, 03:05 AM

Damn AMD processors! :P Dude buy yourself one of those new 2.8 P4's 8) get a 533mhz frontside MB too. :P

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:05 AM

and if you can find take out some of you memory and try that it cant hurt maybe one of you sticks is going bad

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:06 AM

say no to intel (crack).....:)

Slice

09-20-2002, 03:08 AM

[quote:61f260626b="Outlaw DirtGod"]say no to intel (crack).....:)[/quote:61f260626b]

Yeah just crash 50 times a day because your airconditioning system isn't spining fast enough!

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 03:14 AM

I might try the ram thing... but i dont know fi its that. Since the first day after I built the computer I was playing Sam single player and all of the sudden it just totally locked up the computer. The lock ups were rare till this week. I installed Serious Sam FE and it crashed A LOT and got illegal operations a lot. Then yesterday it got REAL bad. About 2 secs into any game it would lock the computer, so I thought it was this gf3 i had. Then I put in my gf2 and the locks get worse. It starts locking in windows when i just booted up. So I put back in my gf3 and it kept locking in windows and even loading windows.

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:15 AM

you would be suprise what a bad ram chip would do

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 03:17 AM

It cant be because I remmeber testing them when my computer wouldnt boot up (my processor chip wasnt placed properly which was the problem)

Slice

09-20-2002, 03:20 AM

Dude it is a power issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn dude Via is the worst, where the hell was I when you bought that shit!

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:20 AM

hey i hope it works for you

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:21 AM

Hey i feel the same way about that via

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 03:23 AM

Machine told me to get this motherboard, yell at him! :) Ill probably get an nForce2 or whatever when I upgrade my other computer. Anyways you postive its a power issue? If so how much do i need?

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:26 AM

Not how much youll need at least a 300 watt supply but whom its by antec or emermax are good one.....

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 03:26 AM

Oh my games dont work. I mean I did get into UT2k3 but I quit before I tested it. Quake3 locks up, my MAME32k (arcade roms) gets illegal operation when I wanna run it.

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 03:27 AM

[quote:1cc91176dd="Outlaw DirtGod"]Not how much youll need at least a 300 watt supply but whom its by antec or emermax are good one.....[/quote:1cc91176dd]

Im currently using a 400 watt power supply that came with this case.

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:28 AM

i said at least you can go higher if you want but if coinage is a problem youll need a min. of 300 thats all

Slice

09-20-2002, 03:30 AM

I am not positive it's power related, but it sounds that way. However Via has some bad problems with power distribution across the chipset, like getting the ram enough juice to keep it sustained. :roll: Maybe Machine knows something about it, and he can help you? Don't buy a new power supply until you talk to him. Unless you are sure that is the issue. ;)

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:33 AM

Try it tonight though yank out one of those ram chips and see how it reacts

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 03:33 AM

Hmm should I just buy a new motherboard all together then? Whats good? nForce? Argh my computer is so messed up right now. It locks up, the games dont work and also lock up, the sound doesnt work (cant find drivers that work), programs are sccartted... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 03:34 AM

ok ill go test the ram brb

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:35 AM

Nforce is sweet......if you get one i have had no problems in 6 months with the PC......except your Microsoft hiccups

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 03:40 AM

WTF?!!!!!! WOW! I just played a game of quake3 and it worked! Except when I exited it created an illegal operation in USER.EXE ? Weird.... Ill try other games now until it locks up then ill try the ram.

Nobody

09-20-2002, 03:41 AM

Guys I hate to tell you but I have zero problems with the VIA chipsets. All of my friends are using them to and again zero problems. I think his problems are something else. I am not saying VIA is perfect but if setup correctly with good components it works fine.

Nobody

09-20-2002, 03:48 AM

When you said you were restoring file what files are you restoring ? I hope you are not trying to do some kind of system restore. If so you are just copying your problems back.

XP not installing is a sign of trouble. I would remove everything but video card and ram and try installing again. Just like we did when finding your original problem start with the basics and see if it works.

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 03:52 AM

Yeah my brothers works fine too......but mine did not after about 2 months i had every problem you can think of ended up replacing everything but the Mobo spent way too much money fixing everting else ......(thats just and excuse hehe) damn internet shoping change out the mob and havent had a problem since

Mr Clean

09-20-2002, 05:42 AM

DirtGod, Hammer said you had a PEBCAC error....(Problem Exists Between Chair And Computer)... :D

Nobody

09-20-2002, 08:51 AM

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OUTLAWS The Machine

09-20-2002, 10:47 AM

Did you try to update your VIA 4-in-1 drivers? Lockups are usually due to heat, RAM, or drivers.
Windoze98se sux btw. LOL

I've never had a problem with VIA chipsets or AMD systems. You could have a bad motherboard. Do what was said earlier about trying 1 stick or RAM at a time in slot 1. This will eliminate your RAM. We know it is not your video card since it does it with your old one. The temp you listed a while ago is your CPU temp right? If so that is OK. If that is your motherboard temp than you need better case cooling.
Did you say XP would not install?

Nobody

09-20-2002, 11:04 AM

Hey Machine he said the install for XP would hang which is not a good sign. The last I heard from him it seemed to be working with the one 256 stick in. He said he just picked a 128 stick from the same page and did not notice the specs on it. I guess he will post today if he is still having problems.

OUTLAWS The Machine

09-20-2002, 11:10 AM

Cool. I will be leaving this evening for NC and wont be back until Sunday night. Wat the temp he mentioned his CPU or Mobo temp?

Nobody

09-20-2002, 11:12 AM

He told me his cpu temp was 100-110 F which is not bad.

Have a good trip dude. :lol:

OUTLAWS The Machine

09-20-2002, 11:16 AM

Yah that is a good CPU temp. Processor is probably good. It does sound like a RAM problem or posibly the mobo. If he is locking up during an OS install than it is probably a hardware problem I would think. Unless he has been messing around in the bios.

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-20-2002, 11:49 AM

[quote:b0de37f395="mrclean"]DirtGod, Hammer said you had a PEBCAC error....(Problem Exists Between Chair And Computer)... :D[/quote:b0de37f395]

Hammer is gay

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 10:38 PM

It working now with just the 256 stick in. I checked the stats for both the rams, and the only difference was the 128 was 16x64 and the 256 is 32x64. I played some games of Sam and a little bit of Unreal and some Quake2 with no lockups. Ill report again when it locks up again. I have the left side of my case off cause it seemed to work better with it off.

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 11:01 PM

Well it just locked up a few seconds into a game of UNreal. Going to further test again...

PC TEMP: 113 F

MR. SLiK

09-20-2002, 11:28 PM

Ok it locked up again in unreal (temp 113F) and it locked up in quake3 (probably same temp.) Quake2 worked fine though. I brought a fan here and hooked it up, I turned on my comp at PC temp 100F. Im gonna keep on testing. My house is very hot right as well. Im sweating in this room.

MR. SLiK

09-21-2002, 12:12 AM

Well the fan seems to be helping. I played several UT2k3 games no problems. My anti virus was on so I was getting some choppyness.

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-21-2002, 12:13 AM

glad to here that

MR. SLiK

09-21-2002, 12:18 AM

Hha its funny cause shortly after that posted it locked up during my anti virus scanning. Comp temp was at 114 F. I think it maybe my motherboard thats the problem.

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-21-2002, 02:32 AM

hehe....nforce board

OUTLAWS The Machine

09-21-2002, 05:47 PM

Are you saying that your mobo temo is 114F? If so your cpu and/or your video card is getting too hot. How many case fans do you have?

MR. SLiK

09-21-2002, 06:33 PM

Yeah it said my processor temp is 114 F and my system temp about 90F. I have 2 case fans.

OUTLAWS WHOCARES

09-21-2002, 07:14 PM

Sounds like a worn out fan.
Like machine said:
How many do you have?

MR. SLiK

09-21-2002, 07:24 PM

2 case fans.

OUTLAWS WHOCARES

09-21-2002, 07:26 PM

Hmmm.
Front and rear?
Can your case handle a side fan?

Also tell me a bit about where the tower is.
Is it oper to the air or is it surrounded by a bunch of stuff.

MR. SLiK

09-21-2002, 07:38 PM

Both my fans are in the back of the case. I also took the left side of the case off and have a regular fan blowing into it on high. My case in under my glass desk infront of a book shelf.

Snip3r

09-21-2002, 08:39 PM

Throw it in the freezer then start it up and see what happens

Mr Clean

09-21-2002, 09:45 PM

[quote:b7d33021ae]Throw it in the freezer then start it up and see what happens[/quote:b7d33021ae]
I don't know about his computer but it worked great for my ice cubes....

Snip3r

09-21-2002, 11:55 PM

:lol: Youz a funny man Mr.Clean

OUTLAWS WHOCARES

09-22-2002, 01:02 AM

What is the temp in your house?
It sounds like a video card overheating. Not really the mobo.
With the fan on it the temp was 114

MR. SLiK

09-22-2002, 01:14 AM

It hasnt locked up today yet. Yesterday it was 90 in my house.

Nobody

09-22-2002, 01:16 AM

:shock: Damn dude kick up the AC. Your case temps will usually run just above the room temp.

MR. SLiK

09-22-2002, 01:34 AM

So is it a heating problem? It has locked up at night but not as often.

Nobody

09-22-2002, 01:37 AM

It is very possible. Why is it so damn hot in your house ? You can put fans blowing but you are mostly moving hot air.

OUTLAWS DirtGod

09-22-2002, 01:49 AM

yeah man get some ac or something

MR. SLiK

09-22-2002, 02:05 AM

I do hvae AC. I just didnt turn it on yesterday. This room can either be really cold or really hot. Its strange. My processor temp has been at about 107 F today athlough it did crash cause of this weird thing im getting (see paragraph below for that). It was at 114 F last time I checked but nothing has happened so far. It has locked up at night (when my processor temp drops to like 90F) a few times so I dont know fi its entirely a heat problem. Could be the motherboard or pwoer suply? Im not really sure.

In Sam sometimes, it randomly decides to change my monitor refresh rate to 85 (it cant go above 75) therefore screwing it up so I cant see anything. And when I restart, under my adapter the refresh rate drop down menu is gone. I have to restart a few times for it come back. Very strange. Other than that it hasnt randomly locked up. Right now the AC is on but its still hot. Im sweating. I had my refresh rate at OPtimal now I just set it to 70. Im using the 98 drivers 30.82, and they work perfectly on my other comp (which also is on 98SE). It never did this in XP.

OUTLAWS WHOCARES

09-22-2002, 02:19 AM

First change the power supply. They are cheap enough.
If that does not fix the prob change the mobo out.

Nobody

09-22-2002, 02:23 AM

I would call Newegg for replacements. You just bought the stuff so it should not be a problem.

OUTLAWS high ping camper

09-22-2002, 02:54 AM

I hope things work out for you Slik. Good luck.

Computer problems scare the crap out of me. And all the problems I've had, were caused by me. Stupid tweaking!!! :mad: :lol:

Mr Clean

09-22-2002, 03:58 AM

I don't know if there's any possibility of this, but it ought to me mentioned. What kind of virus protection do you have? I had the klez virus last month and it did all kinds of wacky shit to my PC. Maybe you've got file corruption up the ass...

OUTLAWS high ping camper

09-22-2002, 04:08 AM

Excellent stab in the dark Mr. Clean. Please put your knife away. :P

Mr Clean

09-22-2002, 04:14 AM

[quote:be08410a3b]Excellent stab in the dark Mr. Clean. Please put your knife away[/quote:be08410a3b]
I can't. You stuck it in my back and I can't reach it back there..... :D

(In my best Churchill voice) Of course you know, this means war....

It'll be nice having some smart-ass companionship around here.... :robot:

MR. SLiK

09-22-2002, 04:22 AM

Did that already today. No Viruses.

OUTLAWS WHOCARES

09-22-2002, 04:25 AM

Return the parts and try again. :mad:

OUTLAWS high ping camper

09-22-2002, 04:26 AM

[quote:e87122d2be="mrclean"][quote:e87122d2be]Excellent stab in the dark Mr. Clean. Please put your knife away[/quote:e87122d2be]
I can't. You stuck it in my back and I can't reach it back there..... :D

(In my best Churchill voice) Of course you know, this means war....

It'll be nice having some smart-ass companionship around here.... :robot:[/quote:e87122d2be]

It's all good brotha'! I come to the forums to laugh......and ask questions about my PC............oh yeh, I think there's a game called Serious Sam too. :lol:

OUTLAWS WHOCARES

09-22-2002, 04:27 AM

Yea that may be so but your avatar makes you so GAY!!!
LOL

OUTLAWS high ping camper

09-22-2002, 04:37 AM

Ummmmmm.........I am gay.

OUTLAWS WHOCARES

09-22-2002, 04:38 AM

[quote:f63121d7c5="OUTLAWS high ping camper"]Ummmmmm.........I am gay.[/quote:f63121d7c5]

At least you can admit it.

Mr Clean

09-22-2002, 05:43 AM

[quote:02c69c95fe]Ummmmmm.........I am gay.[/quote:02c69c95fe]

That's a relief. I was afraid you were a fan of Anne Geddes...you know, that crazy bitch that takes pictures of babies in flower pots and ladybug costumes.....