Sam 2 DM Patch Released

[SALvation]

Get it now:

http://www.3dgamers.com/news/more/1096484174/

Changes in 2.068.00 patch:

- Implemented Deathmatch game mode
- It is now possible to execute a script file from the console (exec script.cfg)
- Added samListPlayers() console command - displays the list of all players in the 'playerindex playername' format.
- Implemented banning of players by IP address (permanent or temporary).
- Implemented map list and map rotation - map list can be specified either in a cvar or through a file.
- Added falling damage.
- Added damage impact - knockback from explosions.
- Increased player speed for deathmatch games (12.5 m/s).
- In DM, player runs faster when using the chainsaw.
- Players dop the current weapon when killed (DM only).
- It is now posible to disable items, weapons and powerups.
- Player can be gibbed (DM only).
- Implemented the in-game voting system (votes for next map, map restart, kicking players, temporary player ban).
- Added the 'only if stronger' option to auto weapon change setting.
- Chat message sound is much louder now.
- Added support for multi-core in physics solver (disabled by default).

[FUS1ON]

Wow if those work, Sammy might be worth playing again.

[SALvation]

You can definitely see that alot of fan suggestions were added.

[BobtheCkroach]

woo-hoo! can't wait to get home tomorrow and give that a run! Still no auto-download? Oh well, I guess that doesn't matter right yet, since there's no editor available yet, right?

[SALvation]

There's only 1 DM server out there right now and it looks like its just running off 1 guys home connection, so we'll have to wait for people to start dedicated servers to see how well it plays.

[SALvation]

You can really see the DM fans' influence in the menu settings that are available for DM games:

[NightBreed]

w00t !!! I guess I better re-install it !! Thx for the heads-up SAL, I'd given it up for dead !!

[SALvation]

Now this is damn cool. One of the 4 DM maps included is Little Trouble. It's gotten a slight graphics upgrade. These pics are at 60% quality from Photoshop.

[EXEcution]

Thanks SAL, looks like I'll be picking up my copy of SS2 this week. :)

[NightBreed]

Now this is damn cool. One of the 4 DM maps included is Little Trouble. It's gotten a slight graphics upgrade. These pics are at 60% quality from Photoshop.


:thumbs: Wow...that's damn cool for sure !! :)

[FUS1ON]

Now this is damn cool. One of the 4 DM maps included is Little Trouble. It's gotten a slight graphics upgrade. These pics are at 60% quality from Photoshop.

A slight graphics upgrade? LMAO

[SALvation]

Yea that was a bit sarcastic. :)

[BobtheCkroach]

Now this is damn cool. One of the 4 DM maps included is Little Trouble. It's gotten a slight graphics upgrade. These pics are at 60% quality from Photoshop.

Sa-weet!

[BobtheCkroach]

You can really see the DM fans' influence in the menu settings that are available for DM games:

Congrats, Croteam. If there is any chance of saving the community, this is a huge step towards that goal!

[Sirc]

No way. Seriously? :eek:


Erm, netcode comments...anyone?

[FUS1ON]

Congrats, Croteam. If there is any chance of saving the community, this is a huge step towards that goal!

I agree, between the game settings and options this looks awesome, now if it works like it should is another story. I've said a few bad things about Croteam over the years, it 'looks' like they might have stepped up and I 'might' just have to eat some crow yet.

[Sirc]

Just curious for no specific reason...do they check SNs against a master server for DM? I guess I'm just hoping they keep the riff-raff out. ;)

[Mpulse]

Al-right!! Good thing I already have my copy of Sam2! Now I'm ready to ROCK!

[SALvation]

First impressions...

- The speed seems the same as Sam 2. Nice and fast.
- Scoreboard has deaths and kills now which is nice.
- Sometimes hard to tell if you have killed someone. They disappear fast.
- I miss the damage sound when you damage someone from Quake.
- Levels are very beautiful with graphics turned all the way up.
- Rocket splash much smaller

Overall I think Sam fans will be pleased. Of course this is still different from Sam SE DM, but if it stayed the same why bother making it?

[Sirc]

I just realized that Seriously forums may actually have topics NOT related to people masterbating in the shower now. What a win for them! :thumbs:

EDIT: I'm going to get in trouble for this one, I just know it.

[BobtheCkroach]

I agree, between the game settings and options this looks awesome, now if it works like it should is another story. I've said a few bad things about Croteam over the years, it 'looks' like they might have stepped up and I 'might' just have to eat some crow yet.

Of course my comment comes w/ the very small asterisk that I haven't really ever played SS:FE or SS:SE...

Frankly, the comments from all you sam players about how this is bad and that is bad told me that I shouldn't even bother...I enjoyed the Single player, though :D :thumbs:

[Sirc]

Of course my comment comes w/ the very small asterisk that I haven't really ever played SS:FE or SS:SE...

Frankly, the comments from all you sam players about how this is bad and that is bad told me that I shouldn't even bother...I enjoyed the Single player, though :D :thumbs:

This is an entirely different game from the ground up. Don't judge so quickly.

(Although you may be right. Actually SS:SE wasn't that bad. The netcode needed work, but if you didn't try to run a 14-person server *gak* and kept things reasonable then things really weren't too bad. No map rotation or new map downloads and the fact that if you tried to join a server using a custom map when you didn't have it would eventually crash the server killed the game IMHO).

[MR. SLiK]

looks like a list of things they should have implemented in Second Encounter.

[JIMINATOR]

interesting...

In sequence, this is brkeenchevap, chanolin, and metropolis.
You have already seen little trouble

[JIMINATOR]

my impressions...
well, wonky jump physics are totally gone. not just the long edge jumps but also the ramp jumps, so things like jumping out of LT are impossible, even jumping to an upper level from a ramp will not work

powerups you have are now available for pickup at time of death... :)

metropolis has cannon and sniper, missing elsewhere, the sniper is damn fast action in and out, no delay like original

the levels appear to be really dbsg heavy, which is what a lot like....

i'd love to see more of the levels get ported over

in testing with one map, i found it hard to kill the other guy. hopefully
not lag, although i did have jitters on starting my own server.

i'd like to see what a dedicated server can do

all in all.... not time to buy the game exclusively for DM.
More levels are needed, along with a map editor.
still, they have made a lot of progress.

[ME BIGGD01]

This sucks, I just bought Quake4 and they release this. Can someone give a full eval and do a review. I am interested to see this.

[Dangerous Dan]

ahhhhh!!!!!! nooo, i won't have a PC for at least another 6 months :cry:

[JIMINATOR]

the patch for the patch should be released by then.... :thumbs:

[Sirc]

Honestly, except for the dyed-in-the-wool SS fans, this is coming out too late. Croteam missed the boat. Even if the gameplay is exceptionally good, how can it compete with the player base that other games have now. Too many games out, too little interest in a niche game like SS2. F.E.A.R. failed even though it was potentially a contender. Honestly, despite the fact that Q4 is popular here, it has also failed. Check Gamespy for the player-bases. Q4 is barely on the list. There's just too many games to choose from now. This is why I haven't bought Q4, and probably won't bother with SS2. They're just games of the moment around here, and won't ever have any substantial player base.

Sorry, just MHO. I'd be happy if I were proven wrong.

[JIMINATOR]

also 3rd person mode appears to be gone
sorely missing is the knife.
the chainsaw is there, but it needs to spin up, also
uncertain as to how much damage it does, how quickly
Looks like you can do some wild jumping with the chansaw in metropolis,
to out of that level. That is out of control, would be easy to
park in the greenery and just snipe.
the fall damage becomes silly, just running around on LT you take
damage, you can't really jump to anything there either.
All the different damage modes are gone, ie: no serious or normal, it
is all normal I guess.
The grenade launcher will always bounce grenades, no explosions at 90 degrees.
I don't like that.
I do like that some levels have secondary fire grenades....

[Finnish Guy]

You'r right that 3rd view is gone. It's good i think. LT feels so different & slow. :( Well hope see you guys playing, maybe it's start being okey later. :thumbs:

[Pure_Evil]

I just realized that Seriously forums may actually have topics NOT related to people masterbating in the shower now. What a win for them! :thumbs:

EDIT: I'm going to get in trouble for this one, I just know it.

:rofl:

Gamespot doesn't offer a link to even purchace it, amazon.com has it for $25.


Yeah Sirc, Q-4 is dead, TWL has a ladder for it, that's dead. Q-4 is awaiting a patch.

It'll be interesting to see if someone hosts a QUALITY dedicated server for this, and if they patch it for auto DL.

Until then, I'll sit on my cash. Right now, it looks like everyone has the same chubby they did when S2 first came out, then they realised all the flaws..... Hopefully this patch will be different.

[Mpulse]

Bov, you really should play the Sam SE in DM mode with a few of yer friends... it's soooooo fun! If you ever decide to give it a try, look me up; I usually host a room called "Mpulse's Place". I guarantee you'll ahve a fragging good time!

[Free Styler]

well at least croteam kept there word and tryd there best.
Thumbs up for that.From what i've heard it's seems dissapointing that you cant air it out with the chainsaw as much as in samsse with knife.But then again i wont take for
granted that it's impossible until i try it.

Will prolly give it a go cause my curiosity level to see how little trouble plays
is high.

Good effort from croteam considering the competition out there.
btw it's prolly better then quake 4 's gameplay.People who have it, are ledge jumps impossible? even while using the chainsaw.Shure caplock is not on?
Remember cap lock in ssse was walk to run hehe :). can seomeone take a demo of trick jumping session in little trouble and post pics of it to give people a idea of the potential .
Jiminator perhaps? show us what you've got hehe.

[MassacreAL]

woot good :woohoo:
i will install sam 2 now. is someone here for some DM game?

[JIMINATOR]

eh, 4 peeps, not playable. It suffers from some of the same issues as coop, ie, you often don't know what the hell is happening, unreliable shooting & kills, unexpected deaths, being blown under the map, respawning with weapons.... In a way, its kind of sad, because a lot of stuff works better than sam se.

[JIMINATOR]

Yep, FS, ledge jumping is gone. Little trouble is also problematic, in that there is a lot of brush and edges on the walls, i think that slows the jumping. The jumps are huge in metropolis, in LT you can't really manage much jumps or speed, and doing so, you take damage just running around the course.

[M a T R o X]

Get it now:

http://www.3dgamers.com/news/more/1096484174/

Changes in 2.068.00 patch:

- Implemented Deathmatch game mode
- It is now possible to execute a script file from the console (exec script.cfg)
- Added samListPlayers() console command - displays the list of all players in the 'playerindex playername' format.
- Implemented banning of players by IP address (permanent or temporary).
- Implemented map list and map rotation - map list can be specified either in a cvar or through a file.
- Added falling damage.
- Added damage impact - knockback from explosions.
- Increased player speed for deathmatch games (12.5 m/s).
- In DM, player runs faster when using the chainsaw.
- Players dop the current weapon when killed (DM only).
- It is now posible to disable items, weapons and powerups.
- Player can be gibbed (DM only).
- Implemented the in-game voting system (votes for next map, map restart, kicking players, temporary player ban).
- Added the 'only if stronger' option to auto weapon change setting.
- Chat message sound is much louder now.
- Added support for multi-core in physics solver (disabled by default).
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTA, vote for next map!!! I've always think about that..

[M a T R o X]

Hey where the h*ll do I press after this :S :S
You kinda have to pay, I see?!

[Finnish Guy]

Hey where the h*ll do I press after this :S :S
You kinda have to pay, I see?!

Ever heard seriouszone:rolleyes:

[BlackWolf]

well at least croteam kept there word and tryd there best.
Thumbs up for that.From what i've heard it's seems dissapointing that you cant air it out with the chainsaw as much as in samsse with knife.But then again i wont take for
granted that it's impossible until i try it.

Will prolly give it a go cause my curiosity level to see how little trouble plays
is high.

Good effort from croteam considering the competition out there.
btw it's prolly better then quake 4 's gameplay.People who have it, are ledge jumps impossible? even while using the chainsaw.Shure caplock is not on?
Remember cap lock in ssse was walk to run hehe :). can seomeone take a demo of trick jumping session in little trouble and post pics of it to give people a idea of the potential .
Jiminator perhaps? show us what you've got hehe.

[M a T R o X]

Ever heard seriouszone:rolleyes:
LOL.

[FUS1ON]

Come play a real game!

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8408/q4translogo5lq.gif

It looks like they can stop cooking my crow now. :P

[EXEcution]

btw it's prolly better then quake 4 's gameplay.
HaHaHaHa! No. Not even close. I have not played it but I can guarantee 110% that SS2 DM's experience is not even CLOSE to Quake 4. With the physics being gone I think Croteam just made it worse that SS:TSE. Quake 4 actually has ramp jumps and ledge jumps not to mention strafe jumping, wall climbing and rocket jumps.

I'd be playing Quake 4 more if there were decent servers around (besides the DS one) and people who I could play with somewhat competitively. Unless someone re-implements ss:tse's physics back into SS2 I don't see myself playing it. I mean who wants a slow DM game.

[BobtheCkroach]

HaHaHaHa! No. Not even close. I have not played it but I can guarantee 110% that SS2 DM's experience is not even CLOSE to Quake 4. With the physics being gone I think Croteam just made it worse that SS:TSE. Quake 4 actually has ramp jumps and ledge jumps not to mention strafe jumping, wall climbing and rocket jumps.

I'd be playing Quake 4 more if there were decent servers around (besides the DS one) and people who I could play with somewhat competitively. Unless someone re-implements ss:tse's physics back into SS2 I don't see myself playing it. I mean who wants a slow DM game.

Notice how he notes (other than the DS one) after mentioning that there were no decent servers, but when he notes that there's no decent competition, he makes no note of an exception :P

We all suck.

[EXEcution]

Everyone sucks at the beginning but we get better. For instance SLiK is much better than I.

BTW: back to SS2 DM. Anyone care to make a short vid of LT, just shooting weapons, moving and jumping. Kinda curious to see what it's like.

Just download fraps, record like 1 min of gameplay, compress with Windows Movie maker, upload and post here.

[Wiper]

DOWNLOADING....


Can't wait, CAN'T wait............CAN'T WAIT :o

[Suicidal]

im just glad at least one of my ideas got though...

Still, it APpeaRS disappointing, I can already predict a real lot of complaints from the average user, people getting frustrated like crazy because they die too easily (ground damage included), hacking servers, gettting bored after an hour just to go back the next day.

Oh look at that, all the elements of an FPS game. Whoda thought...

[Free Styler]

well thanks for the pic blackwolf.
Impressions? be honest please :).


And exe did the new patch in quake 4 ...the beta max or whaterver helped
on air.Cause honestly dont get me wrong but 3 months ago when i gave it a
few hours of play my impressions were not that good.I put the ini tweaked
file and notice a slight improvement but if there were more then 4 players
in a server my comp would choke lol.That's what a 300 dollar card is worth in a crappy mobo i thought to myself/

And i'm being honest saying this.You know the dodge thingy that has been
posted where you strafe while dodging in quake 4.
Well i'm not kidding the first or second game i played like ages ago....i incorporated it
in my movements cause i use to do the same thing in sam while jumping and it would slide making the feet stop moving and give a certain flexibility to movement.

Well 2 months later i go on esreality and read that voo had been using this since a while ..i was like hehe.I swear to god i had discovered this myself in my first tests in a empty server wich i created practicing movements.But then
quickly stopped playing because...and this is funny.
There are demos of people playing and winning money and i find it interesting
to see them play.
Well each demo had x numbers of different versions of maps and this and that
and when i downloaded one of the maps in gave me a error while loading game.
And since that day i have no even played cause i never bothered to uninstall
and reinstall. well this rifted away from the original post but all and all
quake 4 is solid but exe have the patch brought new stuff and if so what are they?Jumps more air? to be quite frank the only game i will play in the future
is prolly utk7 but if sam has a small community base of players i might play it
if it's not to bad also.

[EXEcution]

Q4Max is the only thing I play. For me it makes the game mch more playable. There have been some slight movement tweaks, but according to most of the community it doesn't really need significant tweaking. If you want to get air then rocket jump.

The demo replay is kinda broken, I can;t get it to work right either. Hopefully when the patch comes out of beta then all if not most of the demos will be playable. The pros play at a different level then we do. I don't really keep track of anything when I play (timing armor, weapons, spawn points) while they keep track of almost everything.

You can also gain alot of speed in Quake 4 by strafe jumping and crouch sliding. Kinda hard to master but it's possible.

[FUS1ON]

I'm as guilty as the rest of you in helping to jack this thread with my Quake post so lets try to get back on subject.

[Free Styler]

well that's exacly what i was talking about crouch sliding .you got like a half a second to come back up and give you the speed you need hehe.


and btw exe....at the end when playing utk4 ...and that also i havent played in a month.I would time 100 armor 50 armor shock rifle lighting gun and knew every
spawn spots.

That's what you call the beginning of 1 on 1 tactics.If you can't do this right
then even being the best aimer in the world and the best dodger in the world
you will get blasted away to dust by the people who play smart and rely on energy and keeping you unarmed :). At the end in utk4 i was honestly beating very * good players...Not always but getting there. and i posted some demos of me playing 2 guys the other day on one of ai's thread about his movie.

i was owning very nicely sometimes at the end.
Ahhh but these days i've been making music.

[Free Styler]

and yes rock on with ss2 death match. :)

I sincerly hope it will work out.

[SHOTGUNmaniac]

I give this game 2 weeks in DM mode, before the words, Camper, Rocket whore, Spammer, type fragger... You know the usual stuff.,....until so called gamers totally ruin it.........I mean, the people here that have been bitching about this patch, are the people that totally disowned sam..... And now you call yourselves gamers, the same people that dont like sam cos of the reasons stated above..... Man that sucks.....

[Wiper]

Looks nice and fresh...

LT was a dissapointment, the great power behind Da Map has allways been jump when u want to were u want and that is totally gone :(

But what "LT reloaded" lacks has Metropolish completely :wub: This map really has some potential. Jumping from roof to roof climbing to the highest parts. Also r the pups less devestating in this game and the cannon is not instant kill anymore...

Hope the next maps will be like this

Speed is good in the game

And if u got bored... Just go barrelhunting

[Die Hard]

Well I'm delighted to see they made the effort. Thanks to Jim and the others for trying it out and giving real comments.

It's obviously a different game with varying dynamics and that has to be good. Just by the sheer amount of replies to this thread in 24 hours shows we are all interested. So, my take would be lets give it a real go before we pass judgement.

As soon as I get a gfix card that will play it I'm definately going in.

[Die Hard]

And Villains got the first perfect :P

That sniper looks mean :eek:

http://www.gamemecca.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14443

[JIMINATOR]

And Villains got the first perfect :P

That sniper looks mean :eek:

http://www.gamemecca.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14443
eh, that will mean something when the netcode is fixed. playing on other peoples servers is just an exercise in frustration, dis/reappearing in places, dying, coming back to life, dying again and reappearing elsewhere, seeing others do the same, the game is unplayable.

[EXEcution]

Did Croteam release a Dedicated Server Package?

[UncleSam]

Woah! How did i miss this!? (hum..too early to be April Fools too)

[Speedsweeper]

Glad there is a lot of good responses.

I don't think it will ever be perfect or to everyone's liking but overall i think most people are pretty satisfied with deathmatch. Guess it will take a bit of getting used too.

I will be buying Sam 2 later on this year. :)

[Herbus Maximus]

Ya' know....they look nice and it does have some of the speed...but it really is a bit disappointing about the lack of a knife and the jumping. The shotty has also lost some of its ooomph! Chaingun, sniper and rockets seem to have the best feel to them.
LT just doesn't seem right without jumping on the ramps but...:rolleyes:
And Metro is a sizable map for snipers to sport quite effectively! :D
It's gonna' definately take some getting used too and it will need to grow a bit more but...its something different to do.
We'll see....:o

[Herbus Maximus]

Ya' know...after trying out my own server with a few others...it played pretty smooth. Rockets are definately my weapon of choice so far. The speed of them thar' rockets issa very nice indeed along with the accuracy
Go figure...:D
As bouncy as it is in Metro...you would think you could jump in LT....:rolleyes:
Biggest problem...lack of people. Hopefully more will join in the next couple of days. :thumbs:

[C4 Guy]

Hi,

just wanted to post a few comments.

Jim is defo right, this game is hard to play on other ppls servers. There's work to be done, but it's already possible to get your frags.

There are of course some other flaws, i.e. weak shotties, "weapon disappearing bug" and some more. I personally also think, the running speed could actually be a bit slower, same as the "killed - respawn" events. You notice you getting fragged sometimes only by the fact that you appear on another place. :D

All in all this DM is better than we could've expected, but I'm not sure if it's really "addictive". Let's see...

[Wiper]

U don't hear me complain that the DM is finally here and it's fun to play.


But I'm affraid we don't need to expect much more of it, since it has a very low profile at croteam.

Reasons:

Over 4!! months were needed to:
- recycle 2 areas from the single player game.
- reload an old map (wich is not a problem if it was done well)
- changing some parameters
- adding some menus
- creating a low fantasy new arena

Hope an editor will come out :rolleyes:

[Seriously Deadly]

no dm servers :'(

[Slash]

If I ever get around to getting the game, I'll set one up.

[Seriously Deadly]

:D thanks

[T I K]

If I ever get around to getting the game, I'll set one up.

:cool: :woohoo: Slash :thumbs:

[Sephiroth]

If I ever get around to getting the game, I'll set one up.

that would be GREAT ! :)

[EXEcution]

If I ever get around to getting the game, I'll set one up.
YaY! Thx Slashy!:thumbs: :thumbs:

[BlackWolf]

So..is this unplayable? Do I need to reinstall?


no need to reinstall yet cause the game proberly got the worst net code ever made and its unplayable online way to go Croteam :down:

[Pure_Evil]

no need to reinstall yet cause the game proberly got the worst net code ever made and its unplayable online way to go Croteam :down: say it aint so :bawling:

[BlackWolf]

say it aint so :bawling:


lol u just luv these Croteam threads dont u ? :D

[petter]

played first games yesterday. tried 3 servers. expected it to be what i heard, full of lags.but all servers ran smothly( ru server. figona and some other private). if next update will include 3d view ( im talking about my own whishes ) as i only enjoy games in 3d, singel or mutli doesnt, matter. also bring back possibility to change diff ( felt pretty much like tourist level tho half the reason for that prolly was that i missed my targets all the time, then sam2 has great potentials at least for me theres no doubt about it.:thumbs:

[Pure_Evil]

lol u just luv these Croteam threads dont u ? :D
I like irony in any form.

when the DM patch came out, I actually looked into buying the game, but it was still overpriced for my budget.

[The White Lycanthrope]

Darn, i've played about 15 minutes and i couldn't find a server that was not laggy as hell.

Well , Croteam MUST focus on the netcode and nothing else for the moment.