Google Chrome

[Wiper]

People already tired of me? :D

Anywayz, that's why I won't even try this browser also cuz FF is doing a great job. Only thing I hope is that Chrome will dissapear as fast as it came without buying Mozilla :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008/sep/04/googlechromeprivacyissuesa


With google becoming the leader of the virtual world I think it's time to start elections for that also.

[Wiper]

hmm that sucks :( after beta should be better?

Don't think so, this are all privacy concerns and google ain't in my book of producers who are willing to give up the power since their hole brand is based on stuff like this:

-Gmail: they are allowed (since you "agreed") to scan you mail for commercial goals and much more wicked stuff. http://epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html
- Google docs: http://www.line-of-reasoning.com/issues/privacy-issue-google-docs-seems-to-not-delete-but-only-hide-documents-when-the-trash-is-emptied/


And I'm sure this stuff will keep on happening with every new product of them :down:

[BobtheCkroach]

I would disagree and say that I think this probably will be improved as time goes on. While I'm not saying it couldn't be something they're using, it honestly souonds like something they just overlooked.

In regards to the thing about being able to scan your gmail and such, you're looking at that the wrong way.

They didn't con me. They didn't trick me. When I tell someone else about gmail, i always say "the only thing about gmail is that they gently scan your email contents and place ads based on them." I'd guess almost everyone that uses gmail understands this from the get-go. Their whole business model is taking the cost away from the customer by using advertisements.

When I decided to use gmail, I accepted this in return for a far, far better user interface. They didn't trick me - I decided that I was OK with it.

Whatever they do - or don't do - with my email is because I authorized it. For the people that don't read their EULA and don't know that they do this, you can't go "Google is doing it without their knowledge!"...the moron didn't read their EULA. If you have a problem with it...don't use it.

I personally don't. I couldn't pay $1000 and get an email interface that good. It works better than a desktop app, for goodness sake.

[Wiper]

I would disagree and say that I think this probably will be improved as time goes on. While I'm not saying it couldn't be something they're using, it honestly souonds like something they just overlooked.

In regards to the thing about being able to scan your gmail and such, you're looking at that the wrong way.

They didn't con me. They didn't trick me. When I tell someone else about gmail, i always say "the only thing about gmail is that they gently scan your email contents and place ads based on them." I'd guess almost everyone that uses gmail understands this from the get-go. Their whole business model is taking the cost away from the customer by using advertisements.

When I decided to use gmail, I accepted this in return for a far, far better user interface. They didn't trick me - I decided that I was OK with it.

Whatever they do - or don't do - with my email is because I authorized it. For the people that don't read their EULA and don't know that they do this, you can't go "Google is doing it without their knowledge!"...the moron didn't read their EULA. If you have a problem with it...don't use it.

I personally don't. I couldn't pay $1000 and get an email interface that good. It works better than a desktop app, for goodness sake.


It's true, if you don't mind it and their product are very handy.....but just think of it, if you wanna trap a mouse would you do that with dry bread or a very nice piece of cheese?

Dunno if you read the stuff about profiling and connecting it to ur IP etc. etc. all for advertisement? Gratz, you saved $1000,- yet ur selling something else far more worth for an e-mail adress cuz it's handy. (btw, enough free email adresses without the information-gathering)


Last but not least:
I think 95% or more of the people don't understand the true meanings of the EULAs attached to programs. I can't understand it all and no offense but if you ain't a jurist or something like that you won't understand it either for the full 100% and you come over to me as a smart guy. So think of it all you friends and family....we can all read but only a small percentage know the true meaning of some statements and the consequences of it :) So becarefull with who you call morons cuz you might mention urself with it.

[BobtheCkroach]

It's true, if you don't mind it and their product are very handy.....but just think of it, if you wanna trap a mouse would you do that with dry bread or a very nice piece of cheese?

Dunno if you read the stuff about profiling and connecting it to ur IP etc. etc. all for advertisement? Gratz, you saved $1000,- yet ur selling something else far more worth for an e-mail adress cuz it's handy. (btw, enough free email adresses without the information-gathering)


Last but not least:
I think 95% or more of the people don't understand the true meanings of the EULAs attached to programs. I can't understand it all and no offense but if you ain't a jurist or something like that you won't understand it either for the full 100% and you come over to me as a smart guy. So think of it all you friends and family....we can all read but only a small percentage know the true meaning of some statements and the consequences of it :) So becarefull with who you call morons cuz you might mention urself with it.


Holy crap! Casual conversations with my friends and emails with jokes and funny pictures are worth far more than $1000?!!! OMG!

There's a difference between "free email" and "the only GOOD email client I've ever used"

On your second comment, by all means, I don't read EULAs. What I'm saying is that if you don't read a EULA, and then are offended and upset when you find out something you don't like is in a EULA, you're a moron. Either learn to read it before you use any product, or accept that something might be there. If I found out later than the EULA said that after 5 years usage, I owe them $1000, I might not be happy, but I can't hardly be mad at them. I'm the stupid one that didn't bother to read a contract before signing it.

Personally, it doesn't bother me in teh least. You give me some form of proof that they're doing something with my email, i might become worried. Til then, they've never done anything to make me believe i have reason to worry.

[Wiper]

Holy crap! Casual conversations with my friends and emails with jokes and funny pictures are worth far more than $1000?!!! OMG!

There's a difference between "free email" and "the only GOOD email client I've ever used"

On your second comment, by all means, I don't read EULAs. What I'm saying is that if you don't read a EULA, and then are offended and upset when you find out something you don't like is in a EULA, you're a moron. Either learn to read it before you use any product, or accept that something might be there. If I found out later than the EULA said that after 5 years usage, I owe them $1000, I might not be happy, but I can't hardly be mad at them. I'm the stupid one that didn't bother to read a contract before signing it.

Personally, it doesn't bother me in teh least. You give me some form of proof that they're doing something with my email, i might become worried. Til then, they've never done anything to make me believe i have reason to worry.

For the first: "conversations with friends", what I have to discuss with my friends is simply none of their f*cking business and neither my "profile" (connected to the IP).

I think you forget that there is no way back on the internet. As it has proven before: what goes on never gets off, stored somewhere stored everywhere waiting to get abused one way or another.

For the EULA stuff I go back to my first statement: there is a differense between reading and understanding. I can read Italian, but I won't understand it :)

For ur last point: I know (and you also) enough examples of seeing the true face when it's too late.

Call me paranoid, but tell me if I'm wrong that every product of google always got followed by serious privacy issues over and over again.

[BobtheCkroach]

Again, I understand that you, or me, or 99% of people don't understand a EULA. My point is that you either need to take the responsibility to learn to read it, or have it interpreted, or don't get upset when it says stuff you didn't know.

For your example, if someone handed you a 1 sentence contract to sign that was written in Italian, you'd either not sign it, or have someone tell you "oh, that says, I will pay BobtheCkroach $1000". You wouldn't just sign and assume, and if you did, that's your own fault. If you're that concerned about what the thing says (obviously i'm not) then you need to hire an interpreter (IE, a lawyer).

If you feel that what you write in your email is none of their business, that's fine. Don't use their product. I'm just saying that, for me, if they can figure out that I enjoy stupid jokes and went and saw Traitor last friday night, adn that I'll be watching my kid brother for my folks next weekend, more power to them.

It seems naive that you think that google looks at your contents and no one else does. Just because they don't use it to pull ads doesn't mean their not looking at it. Heck, you yourself said that once it's on the 'net, it never comes off. Assumedly, then, you use your own mail server and don't send to anyone that's not also on that mail server?

For your last point, sure, I've heard plenty of horror stories. However, I try not to live by "what ifs". Life is boring and bland when you do. My folks tell me all the time "if you give up Mt Dew, you'll live 5 years longer" to which I counter "i'd rather die 5 years earlier." Who wants to live a life that you don't enjoy? I like gmail. It's the ONLY email client that doesn't make me want to smash my forehead into my desk. I'm willing to give a little to have a little. If I needed an email address to transmit my personal information, credit cards, and social security number, I'll probably consider a new account for that information.

[BobtheCkroach]

On a side note, I should say that it's odd that I'm arguing all this - I don't really like Chrome. It's installed, but I never use it.

But i'm really arguing more about why I don't mind Gmail than Chrome itself.


Chrome will probably be nice after a while - they just released it really early in it's life cycle.

[Bingo]

I have zero problem with gmail using a program to scan my emails and deliver ads based on them.

I mean, seriously. Who gives a crap? It's not like someone is sitting there reading every email that comes across Google servers - it's just a program.

Even if there WAS someone sitting there at Google reading my email - Oh dear God do I feel sorry for them. What a horrible and boring job. Go ahead and read 'em then. :rofl:

[Wiper]

I have zero problem with gmail using a program to scan my emails and deliver ads based on them.

I mean, seriously. Who gives a crap? It's not like someone is sitting there reading every email that comes across Google servers - it's just a program.

Even if there WAS someone sitting there at Google reading my email - Oh dear God do I feel sorry for them. What a horrible and boring job. Go ahead and read 'em then. :rofl:

Sorry to ask but do you actually hear what you're saying?

Even if there WAS someone sitting there at my street reading my mail - Oh dear God do I feel sorry for them. What a horrible and boring job. Go ahead and read 'em then.

Dunno about the USA but here it's illegal to open someones mail, yet if it's online no one gives a sh1t! o.0



Don't worry this was my last preach :)

[BobtheCkroach]

Dunno about the USA but here it's illegal to open someones mail

Without authorization.

If I tell someone "from now on, you open all my mail. You go out, you open it, you give it to me. I'm willing to trade that for not having to walk to the mailbox." then it's totally legal. If they just walk up and read it without permission, taht's different.

It's like you keep thinking that google is forcing me to do this. I don't have to use their application. I choose to, because it's the best. The idea that they read the stuff is fine with me, because I want what they offer. If they start hacking my Yahoo! acct and reading my mail, then you'll have a similar scenario.

[Wiper]

Without authorization.

If I tell someone "from now on, you open all my mail. You go out, you open it, you give it to me. I'm willing to trade that for not having to walk to the mailbox." then it's totally legal. If they just walk up and read it without permission, taht's different.

It's like you keep thinking that google is forcing me to do this. I don't have to use their application. I choose to, because it's the best. The idea that they read the stuff is fine with me, because I want what they offer. If they start hacking my Yahoo! acct and reading my mail, then you'll have a similar scenario.

No no, not forcing just "asking" in such a way that most people allow it.

And for the first thing: "google scans also incomming mail", which is kinda funny how that ever can be in a EULA.

[Bingo]

There's also a BIG BIG difference between "someone reading my mail" and a program that simply picks up on keywords. H-U-G-E difference.

But yes, if someone wants to come out to my street and read my mail - I don't give a crap. What a miserable, boring life. This is of course assuming that in this case my street mailbox is like my Google mailbox meaning no life-changing information is coming through there.